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Is there a hierarchy to the Holy Trinity? People’s Opinions

Is there a hierarchy to the Holy Trinity? People’s Opinions

There is NOT a heierchy to the trinity.

This is considered a heresy known as Subordinationsim by both the Roman Catholic and Evangelical churches. This was discussed and determined to be a heresy in the 3rd century A.D. and is considered to be a type of Semi-Arianismwhich was denounced by the First Ecumenical Council at Nicaea.

The reasoning for that is this: In order for a member of the trinity to be subordinate or lesser-than another member, they must not be of the “same substance” as another member. Were they of the “same substance” then there would be no hierarchy because the members of the trinity would equal.

The debate in the 3rd century largely centered around what kind of “substance” God and Jesus were. Arius started out stating that Jesus was of a “different substance” than the father (That Jesus was not God). Many church fathers posited a similar argument that Jesus was not of the “same substance” but of a “similar substance” (This was Semi-Arianism which included, but was not limited to the Subordinationists).

Ultimately, the council decided for numerous reasons that Jesus needed to be of the same substance in order to be savior and messiah. One important reason is that if another member is less than God the Father (for example) who is perfect or just or merciful, then by virtue of being subordinate to or lesser than God the father, Jesus would be less than perfect, less than just or less than merciful (for example) and this led to the council’s consensus after exhaustive discussion.

There is however a type of subordination called “relational subordination” a type of mutual submission in which one member of the trinity yields or defers to the other not out of a lesser status or some sort of hierarchy, but out of respect as a peer (for lack of a better word) having equivalent status.

We have this sense of respectfully deferring to a colleague when we value their experience and have a high respect or regard for that person. Similarly, we may defer to the will of our spouse out of love and respect for our wives, and the deferment of wills you cited in Matthew and John are simply relational subordination or mutual submission

Yes. There is a hierarchy in the Trinity.

Bible scholars distinguish the relationship of the Trinity between ontology (nature, attributes) and function (role, job).

FUNCTIONAL SUBORDINATION

The three persons are not equal in function.

John 13:16 (ISV)

Truly, I tell all of you emphatically, a servant isn’t greater than his master, and a messenger isn’t greater than the one who sent him.

1 John 4:14 (ISV)

We have seen for ourselves and can testify that the Father has sent his Sonto be the Savior of the world.

John 15:26 (ISV)

“When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father— the Spirit of Truth, who comes from the Father—he will testify on my behalf.

ONTOLOGICAL EQUALITY

The three persons are equal in nature.

Matthew 28:19 (ISV)

19 Therefore, as you go, disciple people in all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

Philippians 2:6-11 (ISV)

6 In God’s own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping. 7 Instead, poured out in emptiness, a servant’s form did he possess, a mortal man becoming. In human form he chose to be, 8 and lived in all humility,

10 Things You Should Know about the Trinity

10 Things You Should Know about the Trinity

1. The Trinity is something God wants us to know.

If you believe the Bible reveals that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, then you ought to believe that God made this known because he wants us to know it. “The secret things belong to the LORD,” but God’s triunity is not among those secret things, or he wouldn’t be talking about it and neither would we. “The things that are revealed belong to us” (Deut 29:29).

2. The doctrine of the Trinity is not illogical.

It doesn’t teach that God is three persons in one person, or three beings in one being, or three in one in some abstract sense. It teaches that God is three persons in one being. Partly because there are no other examples of such a thing, God’s triunity transcends our rational comprehension. But it doesn’t violate logic or make a claim that it nonsensical.

God’s triunity transcends our rational comprehension. But it doesn’t violate logic or make a claim that it nonsensical.

3. You should give up on looking for an illustration of the Trinity.

God’s triunity is one of those divine realities that have no parallel, like “being the creator of everything from nothing,” or “being omnipotent.” Any illustration you think of for such realities is vastly more unlike God than like God.

4. The Father sent the Son and the Holy Spirit to save us; that is why we know about the Trinity.

God didn’t make his triunity known to us by informing us of facts about it. Instead, he made it known through the incarnation of the Son and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The revelation of the Trinity took place in those acts, which God then explained.

5. God would have been the Trinity even if nothing existed but God.

The doctrine of the Trinity is a teaching about God’s eternal, essential being. So even if everything we know about the Trinity is derived from God’s outward works as creator and (especially) redeemer, the Trinity would have been itself even without having done these things.

6. The Trinity is always bundled with the gospel.

It’s the doctrine of who God must be if salvation is what we think it is. The Father who gave his Son and Spirit to save us must be a Father who always had a Son and Spirit. If you describe the Trinity and then have to tack on the fact that the Trinity saves, you probably described it too abstractly in the first place. The Bible bundles Trinity and gospel, and so should we.

7. You’re already soaking in it.

Whether you have been attending to it or not, everything about the Christian life works only because there is a Trinitarian reality underlying it. If you got saved, you got picked up by the Trinity and brought into God’s own fellowship. Learning about the Trinity is a matter of learning the deeper reasons why this Christian life works.

8. Prayer and worship have a Trinitarian structure.

Every time Christians approach God, they come before God (the Father) in the name of Jesus (not in their own name) by the power of the Spirit (not by their own power). Again, this is true even if they’re not consciously thinking about it.

A specialist on the doctrine of the Trinity explains how the gospel is inherently Trinitarian. Now updated with an accessible study guide to make it more user friendly for pastors, theologians, and laypeople alike.

9. You don’t have to choose between being Christ-centered or being Trinity-centered.

The simple reason for this is that Christ is Trinity-centered, right in the middle of the Trinity as the Son sent by the Father and filled with the Spirit. If you focus on Jesus properly, you will find yourself necessarily focusing on the Trinity—as long as you don’t focus on Jesus in a Father-forgetful or Spirit-ignoring way.

10. You can be a good Trinitarian without talking about the Trinity all the time.

The doctrine of the Trinity is the vast, deep background behind all our theology, and when we explicitly talk about it we make a comprehensive claim about who God is if the gospel is true. But often the background stays in the background, and enables us to say particular things about Jesus, discipleship, the cross, the Holy Spirit, and so on, without making the big picture explicit.

That’s how the New Testament mostly does it, so you’re in good company. Go ahead and talk about the Trinity sometimes and think about it deeply sometimes. Praise the Trinity at all times, and when necessary, use the word “Trinity.” But don’t feel like you have to focus mentally on this gigantic doctrine at all times in order to be a good Trinitarian.

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Jim Rohn

Happiness is not something you postpone for the future; it is something you design for the present.
Omar Khayyam
Be happy for this moment. This moment is your life.
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Happiness radiates like the fragrance from a flower and draws all good things towards you.
Kareena Kapoor Khan
Life is full of happiness and tears; be strong and have faith.
Carrie Underwood
Every day is a new day, and you’ll never be able to find happiness if you don’t move on.
Dale Carnegie
Happiness doesn’t depend on any external conditions, it is governed by our mental attitude.
Richard Bach
The best way to pay for a lovely moment is to enjoy it.
Valerie Bertinelli
Happiness is a choice. You can choose to be happy. There’s going to be stress in life, but it’s your choice whether you let it affect you or not.
Mother Teresa
Joy is prayer; joy is strength: joy is love; joy is a net of love by which you can catch souls.
Dale Carnegie
Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get.
7 Bedtime Prayers for Children to Say Before Bed

7 Bedtime Prayers for Children to Say Before Bed

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Saying bedtime prayers with your children is a great way to develop a habit of prayer early in your kids’ lives. As you pray together, you can explain to them what each prayer means and how they can talk to God and depend on him for everything in life.

These simple prayers for kids to say at night contain rhyme and cadence to help small children enjoy learning to pray before bed. Begin building an important foundation for the future as you lead your little ones in these bedtime prayers.

7 Bedtimes Prayers for Kids

The Bible gives this instruction to parents in Proverbs 22:6: “Direct your children onto the right path, and when they are older, they will not leave it.” Teaching your kids to pray before bedtime is an excellent way to direct them onto the right path and help them develop a lifelong relationship with God.

Father, We Thank Thee

Father, we thank thee for the night,
And for the pleasant morning light;
For rest and food and loving care,
And all that makes the day so fair.

Help us to do the things we should,
To be to others kind and good;
In all we do, in work or play,
To grow more loving every day.

Traditional Children’s Bedtime Prayer

This well-known prayer for kids comes in many variations. Here are three of the most beloved renditions:

Now I lay me down to sleep,
I pray the Lord my soul to keep.
May God guard me through the night,
And wake me with the morning light. Amen.

Now I lay me down to sleep,
I pray the Lord my soul to keep.
May the angels watch me through the night,
And keep me in their blessed sight. Amen.

Now I lay me down to sleep.
I pray the Lord my soul to keep.
If I should live another day
I pray the Lord to guide my way. Amen.

Child’s Evening Prayer

I hear no voice, I feel no touch,
I see no glory bright;
But yet I know that God is near,
In darkness as in light.

He watches ever by my side,
And hears my whispered prayer:
The Father for His little child
Both night and day doth care.

Heavenly Father

This original bedtime prayer for kids was written by a grandmother for her granddaughter. Parents can pray this blessing over their children before they fall asleep.

Heavenly Father, up above
Please bless this child that I love.
Let her sleep all through the night
And may her dreams be pure delight.
When she wakes, be by her side
So she can feel your love inside.
As she grows, please don’t let go
So she will know you hold her soul.
Amen.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John

Also known as “Black Paternoster,” this nursery rhyme dates back to medieval times. It was published by an Anglican priest, Sabine Baring-Gould (1834-1924), in 1891 as part of a collection of folk songs titled “Songs of the West.”

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John,
Bless the bed that I lie on.
Four corners to my bed,
Four angels round my head;
One to watch and one to pray,
And two to bear my soul away.

God My Friend

Note from the author: “I wrote this prayer for my 14-month-old son, Cameron. We say it for bed, and it puts him to sleep peacefully every time. I would like to share it with other Christian parents to enjoy with their children.”

God, my friend, it is time for bed.
Time to rest my sleepy head.
I pray to you before I do.
Please guide me down the path that’s true.

God, my friend, please bless my mother,
All your children–sisters, brothers.
Oh! And then there’s daddy, too–
He says I am his gift from you.

God, my friend, it is time to sleep.
I thank you for a soul unique,
And thank you for another day,
To run and jump and laugh and play!

God, my friend, it is time to go,
But before I do I hope you know,
I am thankful for my blessing, too,
And God, my friend, I love you.

Bedtime Prayer

This original Christian goodnight prayer gives thanks to God for the blessing of today and the hope for tomorrow.

Now, I lay me down to rest
I thank the Lord; my life is blessed
I have my family and my home
And freedom, should I choose to roam.

My days are filled with skies of blue
My nights are filled with sweet dreams, too
I’ve no reason to beg or plead
I have been given all I need.

Beneath the subtle moonlit glow
I thank the Lord, so He will know
How grateful I am for my life
In times of glory and of strife.

The times of glory give me hope
The times of strife teach me to cope
Thus, I am much stronger in turn
Yet grounded, still, with much to learn.

Now, I lay me down to rest
I thank the Lord; I’ve passed the test
Of yet another day on earth
Grateful for its abundant worth.

This day has been a special dream
From morning ‘til the last moonbeam
Yet, should the coming dawn bring sorrow
I’ll rise, thankful I’ve reached tomorrow